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  • Offline seangee   gb

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    Re: Help identify my lighting setup.
    Reply #20 on: 30 March, 2023, 10:34:21 am
    30 March, 2023, 10:34:21 am
    Errr well yes but ...
    For something a bit more subtle these do a great job for city and country riding (not offroad). Even though its a sport they make the high beams redundant as they drown them out - but I also never get complaints from oncoming drivers if I aim slightly below the horizontal.
    Last Edit: 30 March, 2023, 10:35:57 am by seangee
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    Re: Help identify my lighting setup.
    Reply #21 on: 30 March, 2023, 01:24:14 pm
    30 March, 2023, 01:24:14 pm
    So if those subtle LEDs drown out the Sport high beams that makes me think that the Sport conversion for an older model may be err, inadequate for country riding.

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    Re: Help identify my lighting setup.
    Reply #22 on: 30 March, 2023, 01:39:19 pm
    30 March, 2023, 01:39:19 pm
    Loved the bug spray on the GS!!!

    Mounting position is a compromise. Mount on the crash bars, not only do the aux. lights touch first, the are driven into the radiator. (Givi bars)

    I returned the Twisted Throttle Denali light mount when the molded in metal insert on the 6mm fairing bolt spun in the plastic fairing (on the way out!)  I deemed the fairing not capable of supporting 5-6lbs of Rigid LED lights.

    If anyone knows of a better bracket, I'm listening.  But any light was better than a deteriorating OEM. I think my 1991 DR650 threw more light, guys!

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    Re: Help identify my lighting setup.
    Reply #23 on: 30 March, 2023, 02:33:30 pm
    30 March, 2023, 02:33:30 pm
    *Originally Posted by OX-34 [+]
    So if those subtle LEDs drown out the Sport high beams that makes me think that the Sport conversion for an older model may be err, inadequate for country riding.
    I suspect you are right. By all accounts the Sport lights are a massive improvement over the older ones and are perfectly adequate where there are street lights or a lot of traffic, i.e. you would expect to be on low beam. I felt it was pretty poor from Triumph that a bike launched in 2016 came with halogens. When I bought it my daily commute was somewhere around 75 miles each way in all weathers. I chose not to use motorways for that and I certainly felt that the lights needed help.
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    Re: Help identify my lighting setup.
    Reply #24 on: 30 March, 2023, 03:18:35 pm
    30 March, 2023, 03:18:35 pm
    *Originally Posted by dave_a [+]
    Loved the bug spray on the GS!!!

    Mounting position is a compromise. Mount on the crash bars, not only do the aux. lights touch first, the are driven into the radiator. (Givi bars)

    I returned the Twisted Throttle Denali light mount when the molded in metal insert on the 6mm fairing bolt spun in the plastic fairing (on the way out!)  I deemed the fairing not capable of supporting 5-6lbs of Rigid LED lights.

    If anyone knows of a better bracket, I'm listening.  But any light was better than a deteriorating OEM. I think my 1991 DR650 threw more light, guys!

    Finding mounting points can be difficult. Finding bugs in the outback is easy.



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    Re: Help identify my lighting setup.
    Reply #25 on: 30 March, 2023, 06:24:03 pm
    30 March, 2023, 06:24:03 pm
    I agree with Seangee, that it was pretty poor for a 2016 bike to not have been factory upgraded with LED lights.
    I was not impressed with the lightoutput of the standard Tiger Sport halogen reflectors. I can't compare with the former Tiger 1050 housings, but if these were worse....OK , I understand why people look for an upgrade.
    Anyway, My 2016 sport came with a set of SW-motech LED EVO foglights , but some dealer ( previous owners) managed to charge a lot ( seen the invoice ,it was 352) to mount them upside down ( they have a lens that has to be mounted the right way or they just shine upwards and it is indicated TOP on that lens) , to mount them outside the crashbars and to route an ugly wiring on an otherwise immaculate looking bike.
    So I made a simple L shaped alu bracket, mounted them the right way on the inside, more upfront and redid the wiring.
    But , as I still wasnt happy with the output of the halogen headlights, I changed both dimlights and high beams with a set of Bevinsee A01 series LED bulbs .
    I now have real light in front of me at night , in daylight traffic  people see me coming and the bike looks a lot more updated with only white 6000K ledcolours .



    Last Edit: 30 March, 2023, 06:47:54 pm by gvy

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    Re: Help identify my lighting setup.
    Reply #26 on: 31 March, 2023, 02:42:45 pm
    31 March, 2023, 02:42:45 pm
    Hey Gvy, can you post a link to where you got the bevinsee A01 led bulbs from? Are these the ones with or without the fan in the body?
    Did you have any issues fitting the bulb covers back on?
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    Re: Help identify my lighting setup.
    Reply #27 on: 31 March, 2023, 06:37:38 pm
    31 March, 2023, 06:37:38 pm
    Hi,

    I have installed these :
    https://www.bevinsee.com/collections/a01-led-bulbs/products/a01-2022-h7-led-headlight-bulbs-hi-lo-beam-65w
    https://www.bevinsee.com/collections/a01-led-bulbs/products/a01-2022-h11-h8-h9-led-headlight-bulbs
    https://www.bevinsee.com/products/10pcs-t10-white-led-instrument-panel-light-dash-cluster-gauge-lamp-bulbs-192-168

    COMMENTS:
    The prices on that shop are always for a set of two

    Aftermarket LED lamps are still not street legal here in Belgium, so neither are these. But there are huge differences in quality and these are good.
    Bevinsee also sells motorcycle LED lights with built-in drivers. These are compact and do not have a separate driverblock but I would NOT recommend these. Temperature management will be worse with these, so the lifespan is less, but more importantly, they are significantly less bright and when they get hot they can lose up to 50% output, so possibly less than the original halogen bulbs after a while.

    Regarding the lamps mounted by me: Each lamp has a separate driver that you have to attach somewhere on the inside of the fairing. I used cableties. Those drivers get warm (up to 70C)

    For the H11 (high beam) unscrew the old halogen and screw in the LED holder + turn the LED in the holder, place the driver and plug in the original plug... done

    For the H7 (dipped beam): Bcause of the separate driver, I had to make an opening in the plastic cover to let the driver and cable pass through. I taped everything watertight after installation.tbh  it was a bit of a faff

    IMPORTANT: each LED comes with a holder that you place first and can only be placed in 1 way. Then you turn the LED lamp in the holder and now it is VERY important that you place the LEDs at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock, in fact vertically. You can just turn to the end, but if you do that they are not placed correct and that is bad for the radiation pattern.

    IMPORTANT: You must always adjust your dipped beam after installation, otherwise you will dazzle. These LEDs give up to 3 times more light than the original halogens, so better lower than dazzling the oncoming traffic. For that reason I chose the A01 series and not the even stronger V45 series. I would only use the V45 series in a projector housing, not in a reflector. In principle, a projector housing is better for switching to LEDs because it has a much better cut-off pattern, but unfortunately our tiger sport has a reflector housing. ( not ideal for led )

    GOOD TO KNOW: LED lamps get hot, which is why temperature management is very important and they have a fan. LEDs that get too hot, due to bad cooling fin or no fan, as with some of the cheaper ones, deteriorate quicker and their efficiency decreases very quickly. But that does not mean that you should be afraid of your headlight lenses, because the temperature of LED bulbs remain far below that of the standard halogen bulbs. ( less then halve at max 100C)

    I ordered 10 instrument panel bulbs, because they fit in the standlight housing . So these also have that nice 6000 Kelvin white light. They are slightly less bright than the original halogens, but they consume less and who cares if your low beams produce 3 times more light.
    Know that you can plug these small bulbs in reverse (diodes), that's okay, but they won't burn. Just turn the plug

    I bought all leds directly from the Bevinsee site. That was cheaper than amazon and the delivery was fast. (5 transport costs to Belgium)
    Last Edit: 31 March, 2023, 06:54:36 pm by gvy

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    Re: Help identify my lighting setup.
    Reply #28 on: 31 March, 2023, 08:46:21 pm
    31 March, 2023, 08:46:21 pm
    @Irn-bru - a few things to think about

    When I got my Sport I put in LED lights. Pretty much the best that was around at the time (Cyclops iirc).
    They did put out a lot of light and never annoyed other road users AS LONG AS THEY WERE CLEAN. The lack of beam pattern meant that as soon as they got covered in grit the light went everywhere, so it looked bright but did not help very much with regards to what I could see - and they dazzled other road users. This meant that in winter I stopped several times on my commute just to clean the lights. I actually preferred riding in heavy rain because at least that way I did not have to do this.

    When the bike became eligible for annual inspection I popped down to my local dealer and asked him to confirm if he was able to pass them. He put it on the machine and said no way - not even if I left a case of beer in the top box, despite what the advertising blurb said on the manufacturer's website. I did know him well and he is a biker so appreciated what I had done. It was also a main dealer so ymmv on this ...
    So I decided to pop them out for the MOT test. Well when I installed them I thought I was very clever in that I managed to get the ballasts inside the headlight housing. Getting them out was another matter entirely. My decicison was that it was not worth the effort and expense for the benefit it gave over the spots if I had to do that every year and I have used halogens since.

    More recently I have got another bike which does have LED headlights as OE. This is in a completely different league, the LED bulbs in the sport, together with the LED spots do not come anywhere close to a properly designed system with matched components (which does not even look bright).
    Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.