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Re: New Triumph Triple Engines after 2030 ?
« Reply #20 on: 21 November, 2020, 10:03:47 AM »
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Adaptive cruise is now available on the Multi V4

So just like the Teslas, you will be able to take a nap during long mororway journies  :008: 
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Re: New Triumph Triple Engines after 2030 ?
« Reply #21 on: 22 November, 2020, 04:26:14 PM »
For the topic,  electric anything is neat when you have a full charge and a short distance to travel.

Being the slow one in this group.   

Has anyone recently solved the huge energy (carbon effect) that making batteries from mining to final product problem (don't forget the costs of shipping the ore to installation). Not to mention I didn't know lithium was that plentiful for endless supplies of all these batteries that will be needed.
Won't mention the recycling problem.

The wife and I took a trip, 3000 miles in 8 days. How would that work with batteries when you look at recharge times.
During the trip, saw a whole lot of semi's (lorries) that travel 10 hours a day hauling large loads. Those will be some impressive batteries.

Like the solar airplane, with seating limitations guess more people will learn how to fly, as long as it's during the day and clear skies.
https://www.solar-flight.com/

IMO, these artificial must convert dates are the height of stupidity.  The market will move that direction, let economics and science push those technologies.
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Re: New Triumph Triple Engines after 2030 ?
« Reply #22 on: 22 November, 2020, 05:23:49 PM »
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IMO, these artificial must convert dates are the height of stupidity.  The market will move that direction, let economics and science push those technologies.
Mixed feelings about that. Back in the early naughties I was convinced the IC engines of the day were as good as they were ever going to be with all these silly artificial EU rules forcing emission reduction. But the manufacturers were forced to respond and have done so maginificently. A 2020 motor is light years ahead of a 2000 motor, but without all those "silly rules" most 2000 engines are not really that different from those of the early 1980s  :164:
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Re: New Triumph Triple Engines after 2030 ?
« Reply #23 on: 22 November, 2020, 07:01:23 PM »
Forget the recycling problem of old batteries.   They will either be reused in less demanding applications (eg Tesla Powerwall), or be treated like freshly mined ore and simply scrapped, chemically separated into individual elements and turned into new batteries.   Just like we do with lead-acid really.

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Re: New Triumph Triple Engines after 2030 ?
« Reply #24 on: 22 November, 2020, 07:19:07 PM »
*Originally Posted by indytiger1050 [+]
IMO, these artificial must convert dates are the height of stupidity.  The market will move that direction, let economics and science push those technologies.

Cant say I agree with that at all.  Look at a 1930 aircraft and compare it to a 1945 one.   A few short years later again, we were supersonic.   Biplanes to the sound barrier in an incredible timeframe.  Nothing like a bit of pressure to force development forwards - then it was war, now it is legislation.

Saying fix this problem, or youll go out of business is an excellent way to speed up change that wouldnt happen otherwise, or would take decades.

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Re: New Triumph Triple Engines after 2030 ?
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 11:54:44 AM »
*Originally Posted by indytiger1050 [+]
Has anyone recently solved the huge energy (carbon effect) that making batteries from mining to final product problem (don't forget the costs of shipping the ore to installation). Not to mention I didn't know lithium was that plentiful for endless supplies of all these batteries that will be needed.
Won't mention the recycling problem.

Yes indeed battery technology has moved on in huge leaps and bounds since the early days. The latestest developments from CATL state that their new tech batteries will have a 'Million Miles' life expectancy. No African children need work underground anymore. I just hope they have other employment options available rather than starve to death.

EV batteries don't need to be disposed of. They are either reconditioned or redeployed. How many kW does it take to power your home? The answer is a lot less than is required to power an vehicle's drive train. Ex-EV batteries make the perfect power storage buddy for solar powered homes. They are much sought after and command a high price.

So far as longer journeys go. How far do you want to be able to drive in one go? Charging speeds have improved considerably which has a knock on effect of making charging points more readily accessible. Personally, I've needed to use a public charger no more than 10 times in 3 years. Basically, you always leave home with a full charge so you rarely ever need to stop. But when you do, a 20 minute break to catch up on emails and enjoy a coffee has not been an issue.

It's a horses for courses thing. If you are going to stop anyway after every 2-3 hours, then it's not a big deal. When I drove from the North to the South of Spain in August, I chose to drive it in a diesel powered vehicle. If I'd had an EV with a 200-300 mile range, which I plan on getting quite soon, then that would have been fine.

My current EV is 7 years old and costs virtually nothing to run. Of course that will change as take up increases and the Govts. of the world start to miss the huge tax revenues on fuel.

Unless it is a specialist vehicle type, buying a new fossil fuel powered vehicle after 2025 may not be a wise choice  :110:
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