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Offline TCC

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New 1050 Engine - Loss Of Oil Pressure
« on: 21 March, 2019, 01:03:40 AM »
Doesn't apply to Tiger 1050 or Tiger Sport but something alarming going on with the latest generation 1050 engine as used in the current Speed Triple 'S' and 'RS'.

Changing oil the normal way (even as per the owners manual) may cause a vacuum condition where oil pressure is lost and the oil pressure warning light stays on. The damage to the engine of course is catastrophic.

It's baffling as to what they've done to the lubrication system to allow this to occur.

The fix is to put on the oil filter AFTER filling the engine with oil. Triumph have issue an urgent Technical Bulletin to address the issue. Copy attached.

If you'd like to know more have a read of the section titled "500 Mile Service - Oil Change Problem"  where it all started in this link; http://www.lawrencephotographic.com/...S%20Review.htm
« Last Edit: 21 March, 2019, 01:06:56 AM by TCC »

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Re: New 1050 Engine - Loss Of Oil Pressure
« Reply #1 on: 21 March, 2019, 01:46:06 AM »
This makes sense. 
Justin was at my house, needed an oil change.
He pre filled the filter which I've done on other vehicles. Started bike, oil light stayed on.

We ended up swapping my oil sending unit out with his. Problem went away.
Tried my bike that now had his sending unit no issue.  Thought it was odd but what do you do when the issue is gone.

Will add this to a sticky.

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Re: New 1050 Engine - Loss Of Oil Pressure
« Reply #2 on: 21 March, 2019, 01:54:49 AM »
OK,,, I added this to the service sticky..

https://www.tiger1050.com/index.php?topic=21627.msg238610#msg238610

 

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Re: New 1050 Engine - Loss Of Oil Pressure
« Reply #3 on: 21 March, 2019, 06:30:05 AM »
*Originally Posted by TCC [+]
Doesn't apply to Tiger 1050 or Tiger Sport but something alarming going on with the latest generation 1050 engine as used in the current Speed Triple 'S' and 'RS'.

Changing oil the normal way (even as per the owners manual) may cause a vacuum condition where oil pressure is lost and the oil pressure warning light stays on. The damage to the engine of course is catastrophic.

It's baffling as to what they've done to the lubrication system to allow this to occur.

The fix is to put on the oil filter AFTER filling the engine with oil. Triumph have issue an urgent Technical Bulletin to address the issue. Copy attached.

If you'd like to know more have a read of the section titled "500 Mile Service - Oil Change Problem"  where it all started in this link; http://www.lawrencephotographic.com/...S%20Review.htm

That link comes up as "Not found".
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Re: New 1050 Engine - Loss Of Oil Pressure
« Reply #4 on: 21 March, 2019, 07:44:07 AM »
Bizarre, cannot think what Triumph changed in regards to the oil delivery system. None of the online parts fiche websites seem to list the new Speed Triple yet so cannot have a look. One thing I noticed in Lawrences write up was that he mentions filling with 3.2 litres to start and then after running the engine potentially topping up to 3.8 litres maximum. Thats .6 litres more than Triumph say the engine should take?
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Re: New 1050 Engine - Loss Of Oil Pressure
« Reply #5 on: 21 March, 2019, 08:49:49 AM »
Also cannot find this link. Does this apply to all Sports, or not? I think we should know more before this is added to the stickies, as I don't know how reliable it is, or even which bikes and which years it applies to.

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Re: New 1050 Engine - Loss Of Oil Pressure
« Reply #6 on: 21 March, 2019, 10:12:46 AM »
I can remove it BUT it happened to me.

Just had no explanation.     Look at  it this way, what does it hurt to fill the bike THEN put on the filter.

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Re: New 1050 Engine - Loss Of Oil Pressure
« Reply #7 on: 21 March, 2019, 10:19:24 AM »
Never thought of doing it that way, doesn't mention filling the filter as we normally would.

What can have changed to cause this problem?
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Re: New 1050 Engine - Loss Of Oil Pressure
« Reply #8 on: 21 March, 2019, 12:02:37 PM »
The lubrication galleries in the 150 hp triple engine have been entirely redesigned.

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Re: New 1050 Engine - Loss Of Oil Pressure
« Reply #9 on: 21 March, 2019, 12:04:26 PM »
*Originally Posted by Puccio [+]
The lubrication galleries in the 150 hp triple engine have been entirely redesigned.

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