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Offline slartidbartfast

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TOR notes and some questions
« on: 29 December, 2018, 08:25:40 PM »
A few days ago, I finally got a look at the muffler stamp and was pleased to note it's a TOR exhaust.  I noted a bit of carbon build up around the exit, a very sensitive throttle right off zero, and it was poping a lot on deceleration so I had a look to see what tune was already installed?

The fuel map read from the bike with TuneECU looked like an original Triumph tune (20548.)  Presumably this isn't the very original one that can damage pistons but it's also NOT the one for the TOR exhaust.  I downloaded the TOR tune (20549) to the bike.  The weather was nice yesterday so we had a 150-mile run around some nice back roads and four-lane (dual carriageway.) The new tune has not had a significant effect on the off-idle snatchiness but it has made the bike noticeably smoother over the rest of the low throttle (sub 1/3-ish) range. I did not notice any significant power difference but that's pretty hard to evaluate without a dyno anyway. Oddly, both I and my riding companions noted that the exhaust seems somewhat quieter. It also pops a bit less on the overrun.

If I wanted to adjust the thermo fan limit, how do I do that? I could not find any options to change that setting (or the other listed parameters.)

Also, does adjusting the speedo also affect the odometer?  The speedo is about 5 mph fast in the 70-80 mph range, which is pretty bad IMO - however, I'm not going to try and fix it if it will throw the odometer out of calibration.
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Re: TOR notes and some questions
« Reply #1 on: 29 December, 2018, 11:41:52 PM »
*Originally Posted by slartidbartfast [+]
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If I wanted to adjust the thermo fan limit, how do I do that? I could not find any options to change that setting (or the other listed parameters.)
If using TuneECU open the Map Edit tab. The 'Parameters' list is on the LHS where you can adjust the Thermo Fan (C)  'On' setting. Standard is 103C, I usually set mine to 100C. The 6 differential isn't changed so the Fan Off temp will be adjusted down by the same amount.
If using TuneBoy it depends on which version but you'll need to be familiar with TuneEdit.

*Originally Posted by slartidbartfast [+]
.....does adjusting the speedo also affect the odometer?
No

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Re: TOR notes and some questions
« Reply #2 on: 08 April, 2019, 10:29:54 PM »
Because I'm not familiar with the Triumph TOR muffler, can someone advise whether or not it requires periodic re-packing?  What interval and if so, is the packing something that's commonly available like for the FMF off road exhausts?
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Re: TOR notes and some questions
« Reply #3 on: 09 April, 2019, 12:01:46 AM »
No, I wouldn't bother. Getting the s/s rivets out (assuming it's an early one with the riveted endcaps - later one were were welded) is hard and getting new ones in requires a seriously good rivet gun and strong hands unless you wimp out and use aluminium). If you decide to go ahead and repack then yes you can use the FMF repacking kit but you'll need a couple. I used fibreglass ceiling insulation batts and chicken wire. Don't pack too tightly unless you like it loud. Loose (ish) is better and quieter.

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Re: TOR notes and some questions
« Reply #4 on: 09 April, 2019, 12:26:39 AM »
Thanks TCC,   My bike came with a Deklevic exhaust a shorty straight through and was totally obnoxious.   Hope the TOR is a lot more quiet.

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Re: TOR notes and some questions
« Reply #5 on: 09 April, 2019, 01:33:42 AM »
*Originally Posted by slartidbartfast [+]
A few days ago, I finally got a look at the muffler stamp and was pleased to note it's a TOR exhaust.  I noted a bit of carbon build up around the exit, a very sensitive throttle right off zero, and it was poping a lot on deceleration so I had a look to see what tune was already installed?

The fuel map read from the bike with TuneECU looked like an original Triumph tune (20548.)  Presumably this isn't the very original one that can damage pistons but it's also NOT the one for the TOR exhaust.  I downloaded the TOR tune (20549) to the bike.  The weather was nice yesterday so we had a 150-mile run around some nice back roads and four-lane (dual carriageway.) The new tune has not had a significant effect on the off-idle snatchiness but it has made the bike noticeably smoother over the rest of the low throttle (sub 1/3-ish) range. I did not notice any significant power difference but that's pretty hard to evaluate without a dyno anyway. Oddly, both I and my riding companions noted that the exhaust seems somewhat quieter. It also pops a bit less on the overrun.

If I wanted to adjust the thermo fan limit, how do I do that? I could not find any options to change that setting (or the other listed parameters.)

Also, does adjusting the speedo also affect the odometer?  The speedo is about 5 mph fast in the 70-80 mph range, which is pretty bad IMO - however, I'm not going to try and fix it if it will throw the odometer out of calibration.

I'll give you my experience, but you really need Indy or one of the other supremes to chime in here.

If your bike is otherwise stock, I highly recommend Dave's V2 map.  I originally loaded it after blocking the SAI, opening the air box, fitting a BMC filter, and installing new iridiums. I had a little trouble downloading Dave's because of my own stupidity, and also downloaded tuneecu 20550.  I ran them both for a short test ride. I figured out my problem loading Dave's. (With the help of yellow dog)  and reloaded It.   Took it out again for a couple hour jaunt and reall, really liked it. 

I've since purchased a TOR exhaust and last weekend fitted it.  After installation, I loaded 20551.  Went for a similar road test on almost the same exact route and other than getting noticeably worse fuel economy, seemed about the same as Dave's.  I plan on running 20551 for a while longer just to be fair to both.  There's a very good chance I'll switch back.

With Dave's there was no snatching throttle, had a ton of low end, and was just a ton of fun. 

You should be able to reset parameters lower left side of the page.   If you haven't already, I also highly recommend following day7a1's "how to thread" found in the stickies.  I had my laptop on one stand programming the bike and my iPad with his tutorial on another.

For those with an interest in the TOR,  it is louder. I can't really tell any difference performance wise. But she makes a beautiful growl.  :152:   


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Re: TOR notes and some questions
« Reply #6 on: 09 April, 2019, 01:43:41 AM »
*Originally Posted by nwrider [+]
Thanks TCC,   My bike came with a Deklevic exhaust a shorty straight through and was totally obnoxious.   Hope the TOR is a lot more quiet.

Having only experienced stock exhaust, it's hard for me to judge.  Plus wearing earplugs when I ride probably doesn't help much, but if I had to rate loudness compared to stock on a scale of one to five, I would rate the TOR 3.5.  If it helps, the wife says it's borderline obnoxious. But better than the crotch rockets racing up and down Bald Peak Rd.    :028: 

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Re: TOR notes and some questions
« Reply #7 on: 09 April, 2019, 03:30:08 AM »
Been running the TOR for a while (2 years) with a modified 20542.  Works great, and no problem with the throttle.

Mine also has carbon around the exhaust.
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Re: TOR notes and some questions
« Reply #8 on: 09 April, 2019, 03:52:44 AM »
I would usually play around with the tunes until I get a clean exhaust burn. No harm in running a little rich though  :028:
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Re: TOR notes and some questions
« Reply #9 on: 09 April, 2019, 08:20:43 AM »
*Originally Posted by nwrider [+]
Thanks TCC,   My bike came with a Deklevic exhaust a shorty straight through and was totally obnoxious.   Hope the TOR is a lot more quiet.

I know a boy with a Delkevic on his Tiger, surprised how quiet it is. They do have a removeable baffle, mebbe it had been removed. I have one also but on my trail bike, it's not overly noisy, baffle in.
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