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Offline TRP1050

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Re: DIY v Bespoke from Hilltop Motorcycles
« Reply #20 on: 22 April, 2018, 05:22:03 PM »
Hi all. My bike was suffering a misfire when dyno'd. I think the results would have been better with new plugs in. It flies now and has much more midrange. I am happy with the changes to be honest.

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Re: DIY v Bespoke from Hilltop Motorcycles
« Reply #21 on: 22 April, 2018, 06:05:51 PM »
Good to hear. Hilltop seem like first class people and until proven otherwise they seem to deliver according to the customers. But, as pointed out, there was a dramatic difference in the changes across two bikes, with one ultimately performing far better than the other. We'd all like to see final numbers that are close to a 1050's optimum since Hilltop say their software is self-learning and compensating. Therefore, dramatic mods aside, most bikes should approach the upper end of the envelope after their magic. A 15BHP difference is glaring. Allowing for the misfire, torque curves were quite close...
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Re: DIY v Bespoke from Hilltop Motorcycles
« Reply #22 on: 23 April, 2018, 01:09:48 PM »
The 2016 engine is a very different animal from the 2014 - maybe it responds to tuning better as well?
It certainly goes better out of the box   :007:
I also notice Westy46's 2016 bike is de-catted which also may add to the difference.
« Last Edit: 23 April, 2018, 01:11:34 PM by jkd102 »
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Re: DIY v Bespoke from Hilltop Motorcycles
« Reply #23 on: 23 April, 2018, 04:21:22 PM »
Im interested to know if you think a Hilltop  tune is necessary considering Ive read here that post 16 TSs will self adapt  after any changes? 
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Re: DIY v Bespoke from Hilltop Motorcycles
« Reply #24 on: 23 April, 2018, 08:09:25 PM »
*Originally Posted by Fossil [+]
Im interested to know if you think a Hilltop  tune is necessary considering Ive read here that post 16 TSs will self adapt  after any changes? 

I'm not sure that the ECU will adapt to "any" changes but it is happy enough after adding an aftermarket pipe. :001:  A de-cat and aftermarket filter would only increase the  benefits from a re-tune.
I am very happy with the bikes performance & fueling (with the factory tune) but I also believe that there is more power available that could be tuned in.
That said it may affect fuel economy although most bike manufacturers have the top end set way too rich too protect the engine.
If I ever get bored with the power delivery I may consider tuning but at the moment its just - turn off traction control and hang on  :005:
The front end gets light under power and I have had the back end get loose a few times after forgetting TC is off.
That's good enough to keep it exciting for me at the moment.....
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Re: DIY v Bespoke from Hilltop Motorcycles
« Reply #25 on: 23 April, 2018, 08:17:43 PM »
No noticeable change in my economy if I play nicely. Wring it's neck and all bets are off
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Re: DIY v Bespoke from Hilltop Motorcycles
« Reply #26 on: 26 April, 2018, 01:06:14 PM »
Re fuel mpg, if I can control the right hand side handlebar thingy and stick to or about the speed limit fuel economy is excellent. The problem is sticking to it, after the HT amendment it just wants to go faster and faster and I dont know how to tame, it other than removing a spark plug !  :192:

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Re: DIY v Bespoke from Hilltop Motorcycles
« Reply #27 on: 26 April, 2018, 01:15:19 PM »
*Originally Posted by dav.a [+]
Re fuel mpg, if I can control the right hand side handlebar thingy and stick to or about the speed limit fuel economy is excellent. The problem is sticking to it, after the HT amendment it just wants to go faster and faster and I dont know how to tame, it other than removing a spark plug !  :192:

I definitely wouldn't recommend removing a spark plug to slow it down. My bike with the misfire was bad enough!...
I am finding the fuel economy fine so far  :002:

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Re: DIY v Bespoke from Hilltop Motorcycles
« Reply #28 on: 26 April, 2018, 11:20:40 PM »
Interesting that there's a very clear torque hump on the 14 TS, it peaks at 4600 rpm. The later model seems to have a flatter band of torque (admittedly higher too) up to its peak at 7600. Did they change the plugs before doing the rerun, or find some other cause of the misfire? That would explain the difference in curves before and after. Or maybe it hadn't been adapted properly before?

The 14 torque hump chimes with my own experience, and personally I rather like it. For most of my riding it is what counts.




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Re: DIY v Bespoke from Hilltop Motorcycles
« Reply #29 on: 27 April, 2018, 07:36:35 AM »
*Originally Posted by Paullie [+]
Interesting that there's a very clear torque hump on the 14 TS, it peaks at 4600 rpm. The later model seems to have a flatter band of torque (admittedly higher too) up to its peak at 7600. Did they change the plugs before doing the rerun, or find some other cause of the misfire? That would explain the difference in curves before and after. Or maybe it hadn't been adapted properly before?

The 14 torque hump chimes with my own experience, and personally I rather like it. For most of my riding it is what counts.
Both runs before and after were with the bike misfiring. I had the plugs changed later in the day which resolved the issue, but unfortunately don't have a chart showing the improved running. The bike feels much stronger now though and you can feel the torque in the midrange which is where I want it.