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Re: Starting dilema
« Reply #10 on: 16 November, 2016, 04:10:08 PM »

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Re: Starting dilema
« Reply #11 on: 16 November, 2016, 04:23:55 PM »
funny you mention Batterystuff.com.
They're the ones who advertised priority mail and nearly a week later said as soon as they locate one would promptly send it UPS. (Which in itself takes over a week from the west coast).
Their reasoning was that "well, USPS doesn't guarantee 2-3 days anyway."
My thinking is naturally, if you don't send it USPS priority mail, then they won't.  :084:
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Re: Starting dilema
« Reply #12 on: 16 November, 2016, 04:31:24 PM »
I used a cheap 12 series walmart Battery for over 2 years, it worked very well through 2 cold winters before it died real quick. I've had one ytz14s and lasted kljust 2 years as well and died quick the same way. The batter that it came with was OEM and lasted a little over 3 yrs. Now I have one of those crap deltran LiPhosIron. It's tlgot serious CCA when it's about 50 deg f. Any the less and I gotta use a jump box or hairdryer.
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Re: Starting dilema
« Reply #13 on: 09 December, 2016, 03:16:40 PM »
The saga continues. I replaced the 12 series with a 14 series (220 CCA) battery. Same issue; only when ambient temperature cold. Is the starter relay a common issue? Any other things that I should be looking at as common problems?
(Yes, all connections are checked and tight).
« Last Edit: 09 December, 2016, 03:18:17 PM by VABird »
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Re: Starting dilema
« Reply #14 on: 09 December, 2016, 04:51:55 PM »
Sounds to me like "Crankus Interruptus".  Locate the air box drain hose from underneath the bike that runs down behind the engine.  Remove the plug in that hose (looks like a vacuum nipple shoved into the hose with the open end down) by squeezing the hose and "milking" the plug out.  If any oil drains out of that hose, I would next remove the tank and the top of the airbox and check for signs of oil in the rear of the airbox (behind the throttle bodies).  If there are signs of oil being in the air box recently, I would say it is time to do compression and leak-down tests on the motor.

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Re: Starting dilema
« Reply #15 on: 09 December, 2016, 05:18:55 PM »
unfortunately, I agree.

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Re: Starting dilema
« Reply #16 on: 09 December, 2016, 06:02:38 PM »
*Originally Posted by Rhead [+]
unfortunately, I agree.
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Maybe the next JBQ product could be replacement pistons!
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Re: Starting dilema
« Reply #17 on: 09 December, 2016, 06:45:19 PM »
*Originally Posted by smaug [+]
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Maybe the next JBQ product could be replacement pistons!

I should be so talented!

I've removed and cleaned all cables between battery and starter. Not an issue. All were clean.
I've removed clutch switch and checked; seem fine.
I have not checked side stand switch yet, but that's next. I doubt that's the issue since it seems that it must be directly in the starting circuit because of that one symptom..... the cluster (particularly fuel gauge) goes blank as if the battery was disconnected.
Low compression would not keep it from cranking and would not cause cluster to blank.

Seems as though it's gotta be either the relay or starter, and I'm inclined to believe relay. A bad starter usually is bad when engine is warm, not cold as the compression is higher.

« Last Edit: 09 December, 2016, 06:46:59 PM by VABird »
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Re: Starting dilema
« Reply #18 on: 09 December, 2016, 07:18:15 PM »
Sorry to hear of tese woes. Yes I would agree that you do need to remove the tank and look at the back for the dreaded buildup of oil.

Terminals off and clean and then back on a again, is also a good start, as well as exploring the option of uprated leads.
 
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Re: Starting dilema
« Reply #19 on: 09 December, 2016, 07:21:46 PM »
*Originally Posted by VABird [+]
 
Low compression would not keep it from cranking and would not cause cluster to blank.

Seems as though it's gotta be either the relay or starter, and I'm inclined to believe relay. A bad starter usually is bad when engine is warm, not cold as the compression is higher.
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Nope. Cracked pistons also cause low vacuum which can cause the problem your having.