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Re: Looks like Crutchlow is going to Ducati.
« Reply #10 on: 03 August, 2013, 10:14:58 PM »
We'll see when they're both at Ducati.
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Re: Looks like Crutchlow is going to Ducati.
« Reply #11 on: 03 August, 2013, 10:37:56 PM »
Pol Espargaro will take Crutchlow's seat at Tech3 Yamaha.
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Re: Looks like Crutchlow is going to Ducati.
« Reply #12 on: 03 August, 2013, 10:44:41 PM »
*Originally Posted by falcorob [+]
We'll see when they're both at Ducati.

game on, well soon, :038:

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Re: Looks like Crutchlow is going to Ducati.
« Reply #13 on: 23 August, 2013, 11:36:04 PM »
 :005: YEY go spain, another midget just what motogp needs NOT !!!
LETS HOPE AUDI TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY AND BUILD A NEW BIKE !!.
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Re: Looks like Crutchlow is going to Ducati.
« Reply #14 on: 24 August, 2013, 08:16:06 PM »
*Originally Posted by ROBBIECO [+]
:005: YEY go spain, another midget just what motogp needs NOT !!!
LETS HOPE AUDI TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY AND BUILD A NEW BIKE !!.

Is the right answer.
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Re: Looks like Crutchlow is going to Ducati.
« Reply #15 on: 07 November, 2013, 04:34:29 PM »
I seldom delve into this but Espagaro was signed behind both Cals and Poncheral's back they were informed afterwards by Yamaha.

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Re: Looks like Crutchlow is going to Ducati.
« Reply #16 on: 07 November, 2013, 05:16:06 PM »
yes Cal knew his seat was gone months ago, he's been intimating it in many interviews

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Re: Looks like Crutchlow is going to Ducati.
« Reply #17 on: 07 November, 2013, 06:25:11 PM »
I have been following this as well. I think this a bad place for anyone to be unless they are old and washed up and still need a paycheck. The Ducati simply has no chance of being anything but a just inside the top 10 bike and Ducati seeks to have too many inside political problems to put the right people in place to fix it. Stoner was the only rider in the modern era who could do much with it, but it held him back so he switched to Honda at the end of his career. Look at what he did after the switch!

Another related topic is the Panigales failure in racing this year. That chassis design comes directly from a failed MotoGP concept that Ducati abandoned during the Rossi era. It sucked then so they turned it into a production bike that is the basis for a racebike?? Not very smart. I predicted that it would suck as a racebike before you could even buy one in a showroom, sadly I was correct. Just look at World Superbike this season for confirmation of this, when was the last time Ducati had a decent finish? We all must still remember when they owned that series, this year they are an also ran. Whoever thought the frameless chassis was a good idea in a racebike anyway?

It will be interesting to see if Ben spies is going to stay retired or if that was a move to get out of the second year of his Ducati contract. He would be a good match for Aprilia in WSB once he is healthy again.
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Re: Looks like Crutchlow is going to Ducati.
« Reply #18 on: 07 November, 2013, 07:01:59 PM »
Interesting comments Jim but i'm trying to be a little more optimistic,
Audi will be making major changes behind the scenes and are already changing staff having just signed the Aprilia racing head man who is responsible for the success of their CRT, he is very well respected and I think will bring a different approach, it may now happen over night,
in WSB I believe the Panigale is down on power for starters but I agree having no chassis as such leaves no room for engineering in flexibility which helps feel (also an issue in the moto GP bike)
the Panigale can't be all that bad as it won the Superstock title,
I read an interesting article last year showing the Moto GP bikes and their respective headstock mounting points and how it took the Japs a number of years to realise lowering the front engine mount allowed a longer link with the headstock so allowing them to engineer flex / feel with different cross section and material thickness,
the Ducati was clearly much higher with a shorter link creating too much ridgidity / less flex / lack of feel

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Re: Looks like Crutchlow is going to Ducati.
« Reply #19 on: 07 November, 2013, 11:46:10 PM »
Tiggersteve, I understand your optimism for Cal as you are a Brit!

Front end feel was the biggest gripe on Ducatis MotoGP bikes by its riders for years. I saw that article too, and that theory probably has merit.  Superstock is a far cry from Superbike. Just think how well received the Panigale has been in the motorcycling press, Superstock isn't too far removed from production, but WSB has very liberal rules. I had heard about it being underpowered too, I also heard that it flexes so much that it is unstable, so it takes longer for the riders to get back to the throttle at corner exit which further hurts its straightaway speed. In Superbike trim with slicks and Superbike power the chassis flex would be much more pronounced than in Superstock. I had guessed that the chassis would be too stiff, but a friend of mine who ran a few World Supersport races this season told me that the word in the Paddock is that it was the opposite of my guess. I was a little surprised.
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